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Posted by DRD #37 at dsl-65-188-246-138.telocity.com on June 13, 2002 at 17:28:11:

In Reply to: Realistic like the first?!?!?!?! posted by Sir Jimmy on June 13, 2002 at 16:59:15:

: : Blade 3: implausible (two Blade films is quite enough)

: It's getting made.

I just meant that I think two Blade films are enough. The first was okay, the second not so okay, and it seems to be a downward spiral. (This is, of course, my opinion, so if you have a different opinion, feel free to express it.)

: : X-Men 3: plausible (the more X-Men films, the better, though they'd better remain true to the series and realistic like the first)

: The first did not remain true.

I agree, but I never said it did. I was just saying that it should remain true, which all comic book films should. And I didn't really mean "realistic", but "dark" or "brooding". X-Men was a lot darker than, say, the Superman films, which is partly why I thought it was so good. So long as the 2nd and 3rd films remain dark like the first, I believe they will be good. (Though this is only my opinion, so you may have a different one.)

: No Beast

I agree. It should at least have had Beast as a cameo.

: Iceman was a teenager

This didn't really bother me, but I see why it would bother a lot of fans.

: Rogue and Wolverine joining at the same time

I also didn't have a problem with this, though I'm sure a lot of people did.

: Hugh Jackman being a foot taller than Wolverin

Okay, now that's just nitpicking. Hugh Jackman did a great acting job with Wolverine, and that's all that should matter.

: Making Magneto Jewish, and a Holocaust survivor (this especially pissed me off because one of the things Stan Lee strived to do was make the superheroes be relatable, and therefore never gave them religious affiliations)

I actually liked that. It gave Magneto more background, actually making what he did (the whole "hates humanity" thing) somewhat justified.

: Toad being a worthy foe against Cyclops, Jean Gray, Storm, etc. (he was one of the weaker villains in the comics)

This actually did bother me. Out of all the villains they could have chosen, why Toad? I know he was in the Mutant Liberation Front in the comics, but they could have picked a better villain to take his place.

: Wolverine not knowing who Sabretooth was (in the comics, the X-Men didn't know who Sabretooth was, but Wolverine did)

This bothered me, as well. It was a serious plot point in the comics that they completely ignored in the movie. This pissed me off more than any of the other discrepencies.

: And the costumes. They didn't have to put them in "Yellow spandex", but one of the things I liked about the suits in the comics was that each X-Men had a distinct suit. In this, they all look the same, and we're expected to believe they just happened to have a suit that was a perfect fit for Wolverine?

I think one of the reasons they made most of the costumes similar is because there was a time constraint, and it would be too costly to come up with several unique costumes. This, too, did not bother me. And the thing about having a costume that perfecly fit Wolverine is also nitpicking, like the complaint about his height.

:Sorry, it may have been a good film, but it WAS NOT true to the comic.

I agree.

: : Rising Stars: plausible (though it'd be hard to pull off)

: It's in the works

I didn't say it was implausible. I said it would be good, but just a little difficult to do.

: : Silver Surfer: implausible (if the Fantastic Four battled Galactus, he'd be cool to see there, but not in his own film)

: I think it's plausible, he has a great story, they'd just have to avoid the temptation of making him CG in a real world...now, a completely CG Silver Surfer could be decent.

I agree on it being either completely CG or not CG at all, but I still don't think it should happen.

: : Spider-Man 3: plausible (so long as there's a good story, good direction, and good acting behind it)

: I think you're using the word "plausible" incorrectly. Plausible is another word for "possible" and you're using it for movies that are in the works to be made...there's no plausibility, it's definitely. Or are you saying it's plausibly good? If so...well...you're just silly

Plausible - Seemingly or apparently valid, likely, or acceptable; credible

I'm focusing on the acceptability and credibility of the films. I don't think many of the planned comic book movies are acceptable and will have credibility against other comic book films, and films in general.

: : Supergirl: implausible (there's already a Supergirl film, and look how it turned out)

: There was also a FF and Punisher movie, which turned out like shit, but you have hope for them. I agree with you, but your reasoning is flawed.

I have hope for them because they're really being backed up. Supergirl is really more of a spin-off film, like Elektra would be. That's why it was bad before, and that's why I think it will be bad when it happens.

: : Sub-Mariner: implausible (Aquaman is more recognizable, but a cameo in the FF or Spider-Man films would be okay)

: Aquaman's a puss. They had to rip off his hand and make him go insane to make him somewhat cool.

Okay, I'll give you that. But he's still more recognizable.

: : Wonder Twins: implausible (though they've got enough support to back up the making of their own film, they'd have to have better powers for it to be any good)

: Once again. Are you saying it's implausible for this to be a GOOD film, or implausible to be made into a film? Cause it's getting made

I understand that it's getting made. I'm saying it won't have any credibility and won't be acceptable.

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No problemo...crystal clear... Sir Jimmy 17:43:17 6/13/02 (4)
- now that we can talk calmly.... DRD #37 17:59:40 6/13/02 (3)
  - You, my friend, can I call you my friend? have a p Sir Jimmy 18:23:40 6/13/02 (2)
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: : : Blade 3: implausible (two Blade films is quite enough) : : It's getting made. : I just meant that I think two Blade films are enough. The first was okay, the second not so okay, and it seems to be a downward spiral. (This is, of course, my opinion, so if you have a different opinion, feel free to express it.) : : : X-Men 3: plausible (the more X-Men films, the better, though they'd better remain true to the series and realistic like the first) : : The first did not remain true. : I agree, but I never said it did. I was just saying that it should remain true, which all comic book films should. And I didn't really mean "realistic", but "dark" or "brooding". X-Men was a lot darker than, say, the Superman films, which is partly why I thought it was so good. So long as the 2nd and 3rd films remain dark like the first, I believe they will be good. (Though this is only my opinion, so you may have a different one.) : : No Beast : I agree. It should at least have had Beast as a cameo. : : Iceman was a teenager : This didn't really bother me, but I see why it would bother a lot of fans. : : Rogue and Wolverine joining at the same time : I also didn't have a problem with this, though I'm sure a lot of people did. : : Hugh Jackman being a foot taller than Wolverin : Okay, now that's just nitpicking. Hugh Jackman did a great acting job with Wolverine, and that's all that should matter. : : Making Magneto Jewish, and a Holocaust survivor (this especially pissed me off because one of the things Stan Lee strived to do was make the superheroes be relatable, and therefore never gave them religious affiliations) : I actually liked that. It gave Magneto more background, actually making what he did (the whole "hates humanity" thing) somewhat justified. : : Toad being a worthy foe against Cyclops, Jean Gray, Storm, etc. (he was one of the weaker villains in the comics) : This actually did bother me. Out of all the villains they could have chosen, why Toad? I know he was in the Mutant Liberation Front in the comics, but they could have picked a better villain to take his place. : : Wolverine not knowing who Sabretooth was (in the comics, the X-Men didn't know who Sabretooth was, but Wolverine did) : This bothered me, as well. It was a serious plot point in the comics that they completely ignored in the movie. This pissed me off more than any of the other discrepencies. : : And the costumes. They didn't have to put them in "Yellow spandex", but one of the things I liked about the suits in the comics was that each X-Men had a distinct suit. In this, they all look the same, and we're expected to believe they just happened to have a suit that was a perfect fit for Wolverine? : I think one of the reasons they made most of the costumes similar is because there was a time constraint, and it would be too costly to come up with several unique costumes. This, too, did not bother me. And the thing about having a costume that perfecly fit Wolverine is also nitpicking, like the complaint about his height. : :Sorry, it may have been a good film, but it WAS NOT true to the comic. : I agree. : : : Rising Stars: plausible (though it'd be hard to pull off) : : It's in the works : I didn't say it was implausible. I said it would be good, but just a little difficult to do. : : : Silver Surfer: implausible (if the Fantastic Four battled Galactus, he'd be cool to see there, but not in his own film) : : I think it's plausible, he has a great story, they'd just have to avoid the temptation of making him CG in a real world...now, a completely CG Silver Surfer could be decent. : I agree on it being either completely CG or not CG at all, but I still don't think it should happen. : : : Spider-Man 3: plausible (so long as there's a good story, good direction, and good acting behind it) : : I think you're using the word "plausible" incorrectly. Plausible is another word for "possible" and you're using it for movies that are in the works to be made...there's no plausibility, it's definitely. Or are you saying it's plausibly good? If so...well...you're just silly : Plausible - Seemingly or apparently valid, likely, or acceptable; credible : I'm focusing on the acceptability and credibility of the films. I don't think many of the planned comic book movies are acceptable and will have credibility against other comic book films, and films in general. : : : Supergirl: implausible (there's already a Supergirl film, and look how it turned out) : : There was also a FF and Punisher movie, which turned out like shit, but you have hope for them. I agree with you, but your reasoning is flawed. : I have hope for them because they're really being backed up. Supergirl is really more of a spin-off film, like Elektra would be. That's why it was bad before, and that's why I think it will be bad when it happens. : : : Sub-Mariner: implausible (Aquaman is more recognizable, but a cameo in the FF or Spider-Man films would be okay) : : Aquaman's a puss. They had to rip off his hand and make him go insane to make him somewhat cool. : Okay, I'll give you that. But he's still more recognizable. : : : Wonder Twins: implausible (though they've got enough support to back up the making of their own film, they'd have to have better powers for it to be any good) : : Once again. Are you saying it's implausible for this to be a GOOD film, or implausible to be made into a film? Cause it's getting made : I understand that it's getting made. I'm saying it won't have any credibility and won't be acceptable.

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