Posted by Smalls at syr-24-24-14-133.twcny.rr.com on January 15, 2003 at 14:50:37:
In Reply to: God dammit. posted by Superbish on January 15, 2003 at 14:25:28:
: People like you piss my shit off, talking so righteously about the evils of war, when you don't know a go-damned thing about it.
Then why are the ones in the Bush administration who are for going to war the panty-waist civilian warhawks who, at best, saw a year of National Guard to pad their later political resumes... and the ones who actually saw war in the Gulf, in Nam, are the ones who are yelling through their muffles "Jesus Christ, you can't be so fucking hasty in war!"
I can't speak for war... but I know who can. The guys who have been there.
: If war against the wicked is so fucking evil, then why did God give David the power to conquer the Phillistines?
Because the Bible's largely fairy tales that either didn't happen at all or maybe just the actual battles happened but none of the big spectacular God stuff didn't actually happen.
: Why didn't he just give him diplomatic prowess to work out a mutually beneficial deal?
Because people were EVEN MORE stupid and savage and awful back then.
All nations and peoples are entangled in international trade now, all nations and peoples can speak each others languages now, can communicate in across the world in half the span of a heartbeat now...
And now we should know better.
What did the war of David beget? A shitload more wars.
: Because they would have sent him back on two separate caravans. The same is true today, as much of a flowers and candy canes world you think you live in, talking about our issues isn't going to accomplish a motherfucking thing. When your hometown is made a nuclear wasteland by the motherfucker that "gave his word" he wasn't mking a nuclear weapon, we'll see just who wants to go to fucking war.
But when you go in and leave a nation fatherless and motherless on the "suspicion" that there "might" be a nuke "in the next five to ten years" in the hands of a "monster" that we installed anyway?
You create a nation of orphans which, in 16 years, is a nation of terrorists, a nation of nuclear bombs... a nation that forgets to hate the leader that barely lets it eat because they hate the nation that killed their parents even more.
Fuck the dualist thinking that springs from the fairytale books of the Neareastern Monotheisms. Dualist and duelist are nearly the same for a reason.
There are no good guys or bad guys, except for the leaders who are always bad guys on both sides. There are just scared fragile people.
We know this now. We no longer have an excuse.
Mike