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Posted by punkmonkey75 at on August 28, 2001 at 02:49:54:

In Reply to: Re: KEV, YOUR VULGARITY CONFUSES ME posted by Elevature on August 28, 2001 at 02:38:09:

: I think my problem with religion is that there's too many rules, and
too much hypocrisy. Being religious is a chore, it's not something
you enjoy. It's not just believe in God and you're in, oh no. You must
think this and do this and do NOT think that or do that or YOU'RE
GOING TO HELL! You have to devote every sunday to church, and
you can't tell me you don't find it f'ing boring (I went to a catholic high
school, so this is coming from experience). It shouldn't be a chore to
have faith and believe in God, it should be something joyful and fun.
The church has sucked all of the fun out of it. If God does exist, and
I'm not saying he does or does not (I'm an agnostic so I don't believe
in either), I'm sure he would be fine with people just believing in him.
Truly, honestly, in their heart, believing in him and loving him should
be enough.

: : : Alright, I just got through reading most of these posts, and since I
: : haven't threw my two cents in, I'm feeling left out. So, here it goes.
: : (This will probably sound very redundant after all the other replies,
: : no one is forcing you to read it)

: : : PunkMonkey, did you meet God in person? Did he tell you with his
: : own words (or perhaps by means of Mesotron if the movies are
: : correct) that Christianity is the only way?

: : -Yep, that's what the Bible sez!

: : Hah! The very idea that there is only one way to heaven is absurd!
: : you honestly believe that anyone who deos follow your religion is
: : going to hell? What kind of benevolent celestial being denies an
: : afterlife to people that haven't even had the chance to become a
: : Christian?

: : -The Bible says that ALL will be judged on what they did with their
: : knowledgeo of God. It's inborn into us. It's not for us to know the
: : exact details of how God is going to deal with each of us. God gave
: : his Son's life to erase the sins of the world. To spit on and deny is
: : sacrifice is the gravest of sins. Think about if you sacrificed your
: : so a death row inmate could gain freedom. Then that inmate
: : your sacrifice - didn't even say thank you - IN FACT, he went around
: : denying that you had anything to do with his salvation, that he did it
: : himself! And you wasted your son's life on him! How would that
: : make you feel? God desires that NO ONE live in eternal
: : That's why He provided a way out! All you have to do is believe and
: : accept it. But, no. Your pride is to great. Well, God can't do any
: : for you without robbing you of your free will. He didn't make us
: : you know.

: : No, those are not the words of God, but rather corrupted priests
: : scholars in the early 100 A.D.s that sought only to control with fear.
: : a very simple equation, folks - Priests and scholars need money to
: : fund the steady growth of thousands of christian churches. Of
: : the donations from all the good Christians help, but it seems the
: : drawing power of our savior isn't quite enough to bring in the big
: : bucks. So we change a few words, add a new couple verses to the
: : bible, and suddenly, people are flocking the mad to save
: : from... well, themselves. Suddenly, God is angry and vengeful, and
: : Jesus wasn't here just to save us, but also to warn us about not
: : being good christians and following his path.

: : -Not a word of the original translation of the Bible has been
: : or added to since the origin of the book. This is scholarly and
: : historical FACT. To argue against it is...stupid. Of course it takes
: : money to spread the gospel. Missionary journeys ain't free.
: : utilities ain't free. The government takes so much of your money to
: : fund useless things. God asks for so little.

: : Now, Priests begin preaching that you can buy your way into
: : with donations to the church, and suddenly, all the easily
: : manipulated people are flocking to their savior.

: : -Anybody who preaches that preaches a lie. Jesus has nothing to
: : with that and condemns it in the Bible.

: : I'm not a very religious person, in fact I honestly have no religion. I
: : think there is a God, and an afterlife, but I don't believe in any one
: : single deity, because it's that kind of blind faith that leads to wars
: : violence. How can you hold one thing to be true, well someone
: : holds the exact opposite to be true? It deosn't work deos it? Uh-oh,
: : now we've got a problem with a seemingly very simple solution -
: : everyone who deosn't believe.

: : -Yes, that's just what Jesus said. Kill everybody else. Your
: : is astounding!

: : Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated. And all in the name of
: : our lord, Jesus Christ. Wonderful. I hope you're comfortable
: : slaughtering people because of some work of FICTION written
: : you were even born. Asshole.

: : -The Bible is historical FACT. It's proven through archaeology. Do
: : some real research before you go spouting ignorance and lies. So
: : what if it was written before I was born? The Declaration of
: : Independence was written before YOU were born, so I guess you
: : have no freedoms listed therein, huh? If these weak arguments
: : the best you can do, maybe you should just be quiet. Find out the
: : Truth for yourself.

There are alot of "rules" but they're not rules for salvation. The Bible
says that to gain salvation all you need to do is believe that Jesus
Christ is the Son of God and that He died for your sins. Accept that
and proclaim it, and you're IN! Just because you've got a foul mouth
doesn't condemn you to hell. You just won't recieve as grand a
reward when you get to heaven. Man is not saved by what he does, it
comes from the grace of God. After he is saved, though, and he
grows closer to God, he will want to do more for God, thus storing up
what God calls "treasures in heaven".
The problem with alot of churches is that they ARE boring, and this is
a crying shame! That comes from spiritual stagnation. There are
some churches that are exciting. I love to learn new things and if a
church isn't teaching me new things about what the Bible's all about,
then it's not exciting to me! I would be happy to recommend some
radio programs to listen to that are exciting where the preaching is
done right.
I'm really getting tired, so my brain is a little fuzzy, but I'd like to know
more about what you think, so if you want to email me, feel free!
Thanks for your intelligent dialogue!

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