Definitely not Catholic but here's my opinion...

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Posted by Isis at 132.236.35.61 on July 12, 2001 at 16:37:04:

In Reply to: Transubstantiation (? a/b kevin's and our beliefs) posted by *Andy the Fanboy* on July 12, 2001 at 16:10:39:

I couldn't tell you whether Kevin has faith in transubstantiation, but he did put that bit in Dogma about Bethany blessing the water in the sinks which then destroyed the hockey demons, and that seems to say something about his belief in the transformative power of holy vessels such as Bethany.

I personally don't find any validity in the notion that some flaky wafers and grape juice are physically transformed into the flesh and blood of the Messiah by saying a few prayers, and it's always struck me as sort of cannibalistic. But I do believe that symbolic ritual is a mainstay of any religion. I like the wine and wafer thing because it's one of the most pagan aspects of Catholicism -- being pagan, part of our cosmology is that symbols can have a very real meaning and purpose if one keeps in mind that they are only symbols. I love sneaking into Catholic or other evangelical services and taking communion, though I suppose since I've never confessed it's probably very illegal. It's very soothing.

Keep in mind that according to Catholic dogma I'm going straight to hell for being a heretic, so don't take my words seriously unless you're willing to take that chance.

: Hey.. OK, well I'm Catholic.. and for those who arent, most Catholics believe in a doctrine called "transubstantiation." What this states is that we believe that the blessed bread and wine actually becomes the body and blood of Christ. This is definitely the BIGGEST leap of faith that the Catholic church asks us to make. I personally struggle with it. I'd love to be convinced, because I want to believe it... but it's really just faith, and there's nothing that can be said really to be convinced. right now i just believe that it represents the body and blood of Christ

: you're probably wondering "when is this Roman-Catholic dork gonna get to the on-topic part?" well here it is.

: I was wondering if anyone knew if Kevin believes in this doctrine.. Because it is something that takes a LOT of faith, and that's something i know kevin has.

: also, in reference to the HOSTIES animatics(sp?), it is believed by Catholics that the bread and wine are NOT the Body and Blood of Christ until the priests blesses them during Mass. So if HOSTIES was a cereal involving the UN-BLESSED wafers, then te Catholic league should have no reason to be offended.

: also, guys... fellow Catholics and otherwise... I wanna know.. what do believe in reference to this doctrine?

: naga-noonch

: ~A

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Re: Definitely not Catholic but here's my opinion... *Andy the Fanboy* 16:59:30 7/12/01 (4)
- Don't make me type LOL...it's too cheesy...LOL. Isis 17:39:43 7/12/01 (3)
  - Re: Don't make me type LOL...it's too cheesy...LOL. Aslan Vincent Grealis 22:54:09 7/12/01 (0)
  - !!!!!!!! Chuz Boy 19:19:32 7/12/01 (1)
    - Catholasism is gay, and sucks your ass!!! BoB Odenkirk 00:05:28 7/13/01 (0)

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: I couldn't tell you whether Kevin has faith in transubstantiation, but he did put that bit in Dogma about Bethany blessing the water in the sinks which then destroyed the hockey demons, and that seems to say something about his belief in the transformative power of holy vessels such as Bethany. : I personally don't find any validity in the notion that some flaky wafers and grape juice are physically transformed into the flesh and blood of the Messiah by saying a few prayers, and it's always struck me as sort of cannibalistic. But I do believe that symbolic ritual is a mainstay of any religion. I like the wine and wafer thing because it's one of the most pagan aspects of Catholicism -- being pagan, part of our cosmology is that symbols can have a very real meaning and purpose if one keeps in mind that they are only symbols. I love sneaking into Catholic or other evangelical services and taking communion, though I suppose since I've never confessed it's probably very illegal. It's very soothing. : Keep in mind that according to Catholic dogma I'm going straight to hell for being a heretic, so don't take my words seriously unless you're willing to take that chance. : : Hey.. OK, well I'm Catholic.. and for those who arent, most Catholics believe in a doctrine called "transubstantiation." What this states is that we believe that the blessed bread and wine actually becomes the body and blood of Christ. This is definitely the BIGGEST leap of faith that the Catholic church asks us to make. I personally struggle with it. I'd love to be convinced, because I want to believe it... but it's really just faith, and there's nothing that can be said really to be convinced. right now i just believe that it represents the body and blood of Christ : : you're probably wondering "when is this Roman-Catholic dork gonna get to the on-topic part?" well here it is. : : I was wondering if anyone knew if Kevin believes in this doctrine.. Because it is something that takes a LOT of faith, and that's something i know kevin has. : : also, in reference to the HOSTIES animatics(sp?), it is believed by Catholics that the bread and wine are NOT the Body and Blood of Christ until the priests blesses them during Mass. So if HOSTIES was a cereal involving the UN-BLESSED wafers, then te Catholic league should have no reason to be offended. : : also, guys... fellow Catholics and otherwise... I wanna know.. what do believe in reference to this doctrine? : : naga-noonch : : ~A

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