Posted by Mister Smosh at 208.225.187.247 on July 12, 2001 at 16:33:47:
In Reply to: Tertullian was but a man posted by Devilsmurf on July 12, 2001 at 16:25:37:
Good point , but know this also. The Bible was written by men. The words in the Bible were written by the same kind of men. That's why it takes a leap of faith to believe that God somehow told these men what to write in the Bible. Do I believe in God? Yes, but I do have doubts about some of the things in the Bible. I don't believe this makes me or anyone else who questions religion, the Bible, or God any less of a person. I think it makes us better. Smosh.
: As you may or may not know, the notion of "what" exactly the Eucharist "is/represents" was an issue of great debate among Catholics, scholars, etc. I don't remember the time frame, but a really long time ago, they essentially had a debate about it, much like a debate now. There were two opposing viewpoints - one stated that Eucharist (wine and bread) was simply a representation of the body and blood of christ. The other viewpoint was that it "Actually Became" the body and blood of Christ upon blessing - this view was represented by a bigshot Catholic named Tertullian.
: Tertullian won.
: That is why Catholics "believe" that they are consuming the actual body and blood of Christ, King of Kings.
: This is not in the Bible, and to me is another example of men making up the rules of a "relgion" and straying far from the faith that should be the focal point. Because a man, a well-respected man, argued his point well, millions of people now believe this. If someone else would have won the debate, today millions of Catholics would believe that it was merely a representation.
: I was raised Catholic, went to CCD until I was about twelve, or what Carlin refers to as "the age of reason."
: My family is Catholic, and I respect them as people, but sometimes it bothers them that I place no more validity on the rules of their religion than I do Seventh Day Adventism or Scientology.
: I do belive that there are things at work that we don't understand, but as for these human explanations - they're all the same to me.
: dlm
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: : Hey.. OK, well I'm Catholic.. and for those who arent, most Catholics believe in a doctrine called "transubstantiation." What this states is that we believe that the blessed bread and wine actually becomes the body and blood of Christ. This is definitely the BIGGEST leap of faith that the Catholic church asks us to make. I personally struggle with it. I'd love to be convinced, because I want to believe it... but it's really just faith, and there's nothing that can be said really to be convinced. right now i just believe that it represents the body and blood of Christ
: : you're probably wondering "when is this Roman-Catholic dork gonna get to the on-topic part?" well here it is.
: : I was wondering if anyone knew if Kevin believes in this doctrine.. Because it is something that takes a LOT of faith, and that's something i know kevin has.
: : also, in reference to the HOSTIES animatics(sp?), it is believed by Catholics that the bread and wine are NOT the Body and Blood of Christ until the priests blesses them during Mass. So if HOSTIES was a cereal involving the UN-BLESSED wafers, then te Catholic league should have no reason to be offended.
: : also, guys... fellow Catholics and otherwise... I wanna know.. what do believe in reference to this doctrine?
: : naga-noonch
: : ~A