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: : What is the proposed punishemnt for doctors and women who still continue the practice? : Nothing crazy, heavy fines for first-timers I suppose. Jail for repeat offenders. : : : Since abortion would still be legal in other places, would it be OK if a woman has enough money to go to Canada, or Mexico, or Europe, and have the procedure performed there? Or would she be convicted of murder once she set foot back on American soil? : Yep. If an American went to Saudi Arabia, and murdered his wife for cheating on him, he'd be prosecuted upon return, right? Even thought that would be okay with the Arabs... : : : Nope. It'll be a class difference. Wealthy girls and or women could still have the option, but struggling or empoverished ones will not. Or they'll be prosecuted for trying. : No, they'd face heavier fines (according to personal wealth, as I see it... its how all fines should be) : : : : : If it's rape, then I feel sorry for them. There should be a governmental safety net for these women. : : What does that mean? Why must intent be established at the moment of conception? That places a moral judgement on the act of sex. Your stance is just attempting to punish promiscuity. And I can assure all you folk who scream about how a woman is able to accuse a man of rape without "proof," that you'll see some big spikes in those claims if there is a clause that allows pregnancies resulting from it to be terminated. : I'd be in favour of allocating some $ towards rape/abortion investigation committees... Maybe shave a few bucks off of the Senate's payroll to get the cash. : : : And if it has a disease, let it live... : : If it has a birth defect that ensures that it will never walk, learn, see, or feel anything but pain, need constant care and hospitalization, but LIVE for 40 years, you're saying that there should be a legal mandate to carry it to term? Go to jail if they attempt to abort it? And the parents then foot that bill, after it's carried to term? : : This is not a made-up example. It happened in Texas. A couple requested that no extraordinary means be taken to save such a newborn upon birth. The "Pro-Life" doctor disregared this wish, and "saved" the baby's life. It is now a wailing lump, filled with pain, confusion, and no understanding of itself or identity. But it's alive. Thank goodness. And those parent's lives are ruined, emotionally, and financially. : Yes. It should live. A sad existence is better than no existence (I know this sounds insipid, but, really, I do believe its not our place to decide who lives and who doesn't... I'm not saying it's God's/Allah's/whomever's, but it ain't ours...) : : Who knows when miracles of modern medicine (or just plain miracles) can occur? : : Glad you're willing to stake faith in "plain miracles" against the very real concerns facing real people. : The plain miracles were an afterthought, but still valid. Miracles, although the rarest of rare, DO happen. That's why we know what they are. And how can we know when one will or won't happen? We gotta have hope. And the modern medical miracles are happening everyday! A disease that causes a woman to abort may be curable the very next day! : : : I apologize, but I just find it hard to believe that one can feel sorry for the Prom Queen who got knocked up by the Captain of the football team, and favour killing the little baby who could grow up to be anything... : : : I feel very sorry for her. Unwanted or unexpected pregnancy is a terrible situation, Prom Queen or no. : Why the situation is undesirable, it was HER choice to partake in something that could potentially result in pregnancy. Don't bite off what you can't chew... : : : : PS: My stance is actually not religious, I believe that no matter what you believe (except for those damn agnostics), it should be apparent that abortion is a faulty practice. : : It IS a horrible practice. And an inefficient means of birth control. And tramatic for all involved. But, as one of those "damned" agnostics, I can tell you, since I'm very ambivalent, I'd rather the choice rested with the person for whom the decision effects the most. The woman. : : : : Look, I'm not "PRO-ABORTION." But making it a legal issue raises legal questions that I don't think you'd want to have to codify. Better to have it remain a very personal CHOICE of the mother. : I'm not here to knock anybody on their beliefs (although agnostics don't really go that way... but to each his own)... I'm not one to judge... Do what you want, I'm sorry for bringing it up. : The sad thing is that I feel that Law is the only way we can get a handle on the problem... Once we do, then we can start attacking it from the roots... Counselling, educating, understanding, and the like... : Like I Said, you never know what an unborn child might accomplish in life! : And that's reason enough for me to oppose abortion.

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