Posted by Stormin Norman at 202.33.252.99 on June 06, 2001 at 00:55:27:
In Reply to: Let's clarify some things... posted by Pseudo on June 05, 2001 at 22:49:07:
I don't know if MTV in the states sucks or not but back in the day I would have stuffed Martha Quinn full O'cock.... But I bet Affleck did that already!!! (~_^)y
Stormin!
: : You must be young.
: 18. Don't know if that's young around this neck of the woods.
: : 1996 or 1997? The bitch cut its own throat waaaaaaay before then, like around 1993, when the channel assumed it was on the forefront of "grunge," and they said ridiculous things like, "The revolution will be televised" and leapt onto the irony paddy like a speed-freak gigolo.
: I didn't watch that much MTV. The word 'grunge' is awful. It was rock. But...they needed a selling word to classify the bands from Seattle. That was it, unfortunately. 1996 was way too late a date for me to say...I realized that after I submitted the post. It was about 1993 or so, like you say, when "grunge" came along, and they went ape-shit.
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: : JUST "The Real World"? You wax nostalgic for THOSE days? You had to navigate that show, the incredible amounts of year-round Spring Break and Summer Party programming, "Liquid Television," and a nine-hour bloc of "Beavis and Butt-head" et. al. before you EVER saw a single full-length video. I remember MTV when the only shows were "Remote Control," "Friday Night Fights," and "The Top 20 Video Countdown," and you rarely ever saw them. Hell, there was a time you rarely even saw a COMMERCIAL.
: I honestly don't remember much about Liquid Television. I do remember Aeon Flux, The Head, The Maxx, and others, though. The Oddities. Beavis and Butthead, yeah, I remember. Remote Control, vaguely. Top 20 Countdown was music videos, with no screaming teens voting...the way it should be. MTV has evolved into a commercial network. There's like 5 minutes of commercials, 5 until another.
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: : "Satanic channel of chicanery"? How were you ever exposed to the bands you love so much? I seem to remember those five getting heavy rotation. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you, you gnaw it off, digest it, shit it out, then piss on it and walk away. An argument could be made that MTV as it exists today wouldn't have been possible had the "alternative" movement never happened. Both the music industry and that Viacom-owned network have fed off and educated each other since before you were even born. They both shaped you. Don't pretend you're above them.
: The radio exposed me. And I bought the CDs. Maybe they did get heavy rotation, but there was really no such thing as gimmick music back then. That didn't hit till about 96, 97-ish. I didn't mind them getting heavy rotation because it was GOOD music, and they weren't sharing praise alongside Britney Spears and O-Town. I'm not biting their hand. I enjoyed seeing the videos on MTV, but I don't enjoy how they overplayed them, killed them, and stuck a label called 'grunge' on them. What the fuck is grunge? It was hard rock music. Why were they afraid to say it? It was a buzz-word for MTV.
: And now, we've moved to the days of MTV where we get to see what all of these rich celebrities are doing with our money, when showing off the shit they bought on 'Cribs'...like anyone fucking cares. And we have these specials, and the same episodes of shit being played over and over again. Things that sometimes have nothing to do with music...not that I'm objecting much, since music these days sucks hard. I'd say they play about 3 hours worth of music videos a day, probably. And that's a guesstimation.
: Here's hoping Shangri-Ladee-Da is as big a surprise for Stone Temple Pilots as No. 4 was. It's good to see them still kicking...the last of the great 5 that are still active, it seems. Pearl Jam doesn't really count, so I guess they must be...
: P.S.- I'm not pretending I'm above them, but the whole network and the entire music industry is on a downward spiral towards Hell, and I don't really care.