Posted by Cat with History at s00dab8.ssa.gov on January 11, 2000 at 15:24:07:
In Reply to: Re: Q: Plenery Indulgenge posted by Omega on January 11, 2000 at 14:37:05:
: Don't quote me, but, I belive that the church has indulgences this year. Every 25 years, the Vatican opens the gates to St. Peter's church in Rome, and all those who pass through have thier sins forgiven. Being that this is 2000, they are expecting almost 20 million to show up over the year to walk through the gates.
If you were to die in that state of grace, technically you're supposed to go to heaven. A tough trick though to die without commiting another mortal sin (it's pretty easy to sin). The only other plenary indulgence on the books is last rites which (a sacrament). If you have your confession heard on your death bed it's a ticket into heaven as well.
As far as the movie and the big debate goes, here's my take:
Mortal sin is defined by St. Augustine (Contra Faustum, XXII, xxvii) as "Dictum vel factum vel concupitum contra legem æternam", i.e. something said, done or desired contrary to the eternal law, or a thought, word, or deed contrary to the eternal law. While primarily a definition of sins of commission, sins of omission may be included in the definition because they presuppose some positive act (St. Thomas, I-II:71:5) and negation and affirmation are reduced to the same genus.
By desiring to get back into heaven the angels are commiting a mortal sin (one that they'd still carry with them, and obviously not be sorry about). By desiring to be killed merely to circumvent suicide is a mortal sin the same light - a sin of omission. The plenary indulgence becomes null as you have to walk through the doors sorry for all sins in ordet for them to be forgiven.
They would have died with mortal sins on their heads.
: WIth that out of the way, I was wondering who has the bigger breasts, Alysa or Gwen?
I was wondering why a verbal altercation take place in a parking lot in all 4 Kevin Smith movies.
CWH